Monday, October 15, 2012

the REAL reason america used atomic weapons against japan



Washingtonsblog | History.com notes:
In the years since the two atomic bombs were dropped on Japan, a number of historians have suggested that the weapons had a two-pronged objective …. It has been suggested that the second objective was to demonstrate the new weapon of mass destruction to the Soviet Union. By August 1945, relations between the Soviet Union and the United States had deteriorated badly. The Potsdam Conference between U.S. President Harry S. Truman, Russian leader Joseph Stalin, and Winston Churchill (before being replaced by Clement Attlee) ended just four days before the bombing of Hiroshima. The meeting was marked by recriminations and suspicion between the Americans and Soviets. Russian armies were occupying most of Eastern Europe. Truman and many of his advisers hoped that the U.S. atomic monopoly might offer diplomatic leverage with the Soviets. In this fashion, the dropping of the atomic bomb on Japan can be seen as the first shot of the Cold War.
New Scientist reported in 2005:
The US decision to drop atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945 was meant to kick-start the Cold War rather than end the Second World War, according to two nuclear historians who say they have new evidence backing the controversial theory.
Causing a fission reaction in several kilograms of uranium and plutonium and killing over 200,000 people 60 years ago was done more to impress the Soviet Union than to cow Japan, they say. And the US President who took the decision, Harry Truman, was culpable, they add.

“He knew he was beginning the process of annihilation of the species,” says Peter Kuznick, director of the Nuclear Studies Institute at American University in Washington DC, US. “It was not just a war crime; it was a crime against humanity.”
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[The conventional explanation of using the bombs to end the war and save lives] is disputed by Kuznick and Mark Selden, a historian from Cornell University in Ithaca, New York, US.
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New studies of the US, Japanese and Soviet diplomatic archives suggest that Truman’s main motive was to limit Soviet expansion in Asia, Kuznick claims. Japan surrendered because the Soviet Union began an invasion a few days after the Hiroshima bombing, not because of the atomic bombs themselves, he says.
According to an account by Walter Brown, assistant to then-US secretary of state James Byrnes, Truman agreed at a meeting three days before the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima that Japan was “looking for peace”. Truman was told by his army generals, Douglas Macarthur and Dwight Eisenhower, and his naval chief of staff, William Leahy, that there was no military need to use the bomb.
“Impressing Russia was more important than ending the war in Japan,” says Selden.
John Pilger points out:
The US secretary of war, Henry Stimson, told President Truman he was “fearful” that the US air force would have Japan so “bombed out” that the new weapon would not be able “to show its strength”. He later admitted that “no effort was made, and none was seriously considered, to achieve surrender merely in order not to have to use the bomb”. His foreign policy colleagues were eager “to browbeat the Russians with the bomb held rather ostentatiously on our hip”. General Leslie Groves, director of the Manhattan Project that made the bomb, testified: “There was never any illusion on my part that Russia was our enemy, and that the project was conducted on that basis.” The day after Hiroshima was obliterated, President Truman voiced his satisfaction with the “overwhelming success” of “the experiment”.
We’ll give the last word to University of Maryland professor of political economy – and former Legislative Director in the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate, and Special Assistant in the Department of State – Gar Alperovitz:
Though most Americans are unaware of the fact, increasing numbers of historians now recognize the United States did not need to use the atomic bomb to end the war against Japan in 1945. Moreover, this essential judgment was expressed by the vast majority of top American military leaders in all three services in the years after the war ended: Army, Navy and Army Air Force. Nor was this the judgment of “liberals,” as is sometimes thought today. In fact, leading conservatives were far more outspoken in challenging the decision as unjustified and immoral than American liberals in the years following World War II.
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Instead [of allowing other options to end the war, such as letting the Soviets attack Japan with ground forces], the United States rushed to use two atomic bombs at almost exactly the time that an August 8 Soviet attack had originally been scheduled: Hiroshima on August 6 and Nagasaki on August 9. The timing itself has obviously raised questions among many historians. The available evidence, though not conclusive, strongly suggests that the atomic bombs may well have been used in part because American leaders “preferred”—as Pulitzer Prize–winning historian Martin Sherwin has put it—to end the war with the bombs rather than the Soviet attack. Impressing the Soviets during the early diplomatic sparring that ultimately became the Cold War also appears likely to have been a significant factor.
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The most illuminating perspective, however, comes from top World War II American military leaders. The conventional wisdom that the atomic bomb saved a million lives is so widespread that … most Americans haven’t paused to ponder something rather striking to anyone seriously concerned with the issue: Not only did most top U.S. military leaders think the bombings were unnecessary and unjustified, many were morally offended by what they regarded as the unnecessary destruction of Japanese cities and what were essentially noncombat populations. Moreover, they spoke about it quite openly and publicly.
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Shortly before his death General George C. Marshall quietly defended the decision, but for the most part he is on record as repeatedly saying that it was not a military decision, but rather a political one.

18 comments:

Big Don said...

More recent history shows that kinder, gentler, warmer and fuzzier wars DO NOT WORK. (Korea, Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan...). The only way to really win a war is with decisive use of maximum force:--> KILL PEOPLE and DESTROY INFRASTRUCTURE until the the survivors will go along with your program unequivocally. No nonsense...The US Occupation Forces in Japan did not have to deal with snipers, IED's, or suicide bombers. The Japanese leadership knew too well what would happen if there was any of that.


A few well-placed Megatons could have controlled the Middle East without all the US casualties,and bankrupting expense. Those Fuzzzlims wouldn't be facing Mecca at prayer time, they'd be facing Washington DC on their trembling knees praying for mercy. (No way of course with a Fuzzlim in the White House....) There would be no need for a TSA or Homeland Security, or treatment for a million American wounded and PTSD victims.....
The opposition needs to see in the most graphic terms the consequences of further resistance.......that's how you really win a war. Quickly, cheaply, and absolute minimum friendly casualties....


Below works too....

Tom said...

LOL, is your claim that resistance in the Philippines (no need to even mention the rest of the world) ceased after that particular violation of the rules of war?


Those who jerk some tortured version of history out of their badly-abraded genital organ are doomed to repeat the process.

makheru bradley said...

"It was not a military decision, but rather a political one." It was political and economic. WWII ended the Great Depression. The Cold War gave rise to the Military-Industrial Complex and the warsocialist economy.

CNu said...

The warsocialist economy was formulated by a presidential advisory council at the outset of WWII. When U.S. national security policy was reforumulated in 1948 around Saudi oil, the die had been permanently cast. The whole congressional complex didn't arise until after interstate highways, demise of the rail system and major revision of the national economic infrastructure. By the Eisenhower administration, it has taken on a life of its own.

Dale Asberry said...

Spoken just like a true coward who has never pointed a gun at a man and pulled the trigger.

Big Don said...

@Coward......BD holds an Honorable Discharge from the US Army and membership in the American Legion for service during wartiime. Suspect we are more qualified than yourself to render an opinion here...


If BD were running this war, there would be no troops on the ground until the earth was sufficiently scorched that resistance would be zero, e.g., Japan... No IEDs, no snipers, no suicide bombers.....just cowering sniveling totally-vanquished survivors in the Fuzzlamic ruins...
Below is from http://www.legion.org/join
Eligibility Requirements for American Legion Membership
If you are currently on active duty, serving the United States honorably, anywhere in the world, or have served honorably during any of the following eligible war eras, we invite you to become a member of The American Legion.April 6, 1917 to Nov. 11, 1918 (World War I)Dec. 7, 1941 to Dec. 31, 1946 (World War II)June 25, 1950 to Jan. 31, 1955 (Korean War)Feb. 28, 1961 to May 7, 1975 (Vietnam War)Aug. 24, 1982 to July 31, 1984 (Lebanon / Grenada)Dec. 20, 1989 to Jan. 31, 1990 (Panama)Aug. 2, 1990 to today (Gulf War / War On Terrorism)

Dale Asberry said...

As you suspect, I have no such credentials to display. I also, clearly, need to apologize for besmirching your name. Although, I am a bit puzzled in that I'm sure I've levied this accusation at you before and that you didn't present your "qualifications" then...

Big Don said...

@Dale.." I'm sure I've levied this accusation at you before..."
Well, golly, y'all know how humble BD is...Apology accepted.

Gee Chee Vision said...

As a military service man you were allowed to participate in make-believe free world rescue missions. "Did you know freedom exist in a school book?" The higher-ups, that create your problems, do not place their pawns using the same strategies as the Anders Breiviks. They are well aware of consiquences that people like you are either unaware of or too dillusional to factor in. They have studied the playbook and know what risks outweigh rewards. Everything has limitation and demise, even imperialists. The overlords factor those realities into their millennium planner and all they ask of you is continued participation in watching the flashing signage signaling when to boo or applause the scripted democratic performance.

GCV said...

consequences; delusional

John Kurman said...

I think you have to include "getting our money's worth" out of the dang thing. That was a big wad of money not to blow. I mean, Ted Taylor lighting his cigarette off the first atomic fireball with a handheld parabolic mirror was almost worth it, but...

rembom said...

BD: Your service discharge is signed by a JAG colonel. You served the service's attorney corps?

rembom said...

Withdrawn. My mistake. (See how easy that is BD? One CAN admit mistakes.)

Big Don said...

BD expected that discharge to be researched. How much time did you spend with graphics programs trying to enhance the blacked out identity items to read thru the blackness...??

John Kurman said...

There's a grown-up word for it: "redaction". Unless... oh shit, you didn't mark up your certificate with a magic marker did you? You did!! See, this why we can't have nice things!

Big Don said...

...No, no, no...!! BD would never use that word to describe his own actions. The word redacted/redaction has connotations only valid when used by government agencies covering up their own corruption and assorted abusive illegal activities...

Fred Ceely said...

On the subject of the nuclear bombing of Japan, may I suggest "Downfall," by Richard B. Frank. Sure, "new research . . . blah, blah, blah," but use your bullshit-detectors, people. Whatever the reasons for using the weapon, the chances of not using it were nil, and using the weapon hastened the end of hostilities. Note: recall that ending the war saved tens of thousands of lives in China, where additional deaths in additional days of war "might have exceeded one hundred thousand per month in China alone." (Downfall, p. 359) Note: only the weapon motivated the Emperor to announce the end of the war, and without his unilateral involvement the military leadership of Japan would cheerfully have continued fighting. Note: regarding the Soviet involvement, does anyone think that the post-war world would have been better off with a North Japan and a South Japan? Would Japan have been better off? Would the number of Japanese deaths have been lower? On Okinawa alone just short of 100,000 troops were killed and many tens of thousands of civilians died. Not use the weapon? Oh, please.

CNu said...

lol, are there any mainstream political and economic narratives you haven't happily and faithfully invested in Fred?

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